I found it helped me because my hands are arthritic and it really relieved the pain going to larger cogs. None the wiser, that’s where. you could be deluding yourself because you spent all that extra money and would feel a fool if there was no functional difference. That’s another question, and something I’m, going to find out (and REI gives you a few months to try it out, then you can still return it, thus my snapping up the bargain price without having a bike there to try out on the spot-REI is a seriously great company!!). My advice would be to focus on the frame and get as much 105 on there or better at the start, though I believe RS500 cranks are comparable to 105. I have a Scott Speedster FL20 with 105 for 2 years and already run through 2 chains and continue to have chain slipping when running the front smaller gear and on the 12, 13, 14 on the rear cassette. That time occurs before you buy your bike, roughly a week after you’ve bought your bike, then on a weekly basis until you cycle off this mortal coil. I’m thinking this is wear on those rear gears. The shifter also feels much tighter with the Ultegra. But the thing is, that all occurred in the previous generation of these two groupsets. Also braking performance and feel, which of course is really important over the long haul. Can anyone comment on how the 2 compare? This should not be the case. And so the world turns. It’s definitely my favorite groupset I’ve ever owned, and I’ve had a lot. I can say, though, that the Ultegra brakes are amazing. One test I use is to go small/small on the gears – if the chain becomes noticeably slack the chain is too long. Absolutely not. And yes, Dura-Ace Di2 is R9150 (it doesn’t take an Enigma machine to work out the pattern – although the fact that the prior generation used ’70’ to denote Di2 means perhaps you do need some codebreaking nouse). This was all very helpful, and gives me some more information to consider before making my choice! I am not certain if I should spend the money now for the upgraded bike. My last bike had a Dura Ace 10-speed groupset, and the Ultegra brakes are better than those. Go with what looks best to you and the one that is the most comfortable. The newest all have stainless plates which should last much longer, but again look different on each model, a totally cosmetic aspect that pisses me off, and so far I have NOT found these plates to be available separately; cleats being plastic should wear first, but another quibble with the designers and the young customers who never experienced old school parts that could actually be serviced and rebuilt. What are the tricks and tips for inflating a disc wheel? If you are just getting started, it will not make a difference. Ultegra’s barrel adjuster might simply be nicer from the perspective of a mechanic. If you want to go faster get a bigger engine (legs). what does this turd know I hear you say to yourself in your head. The front caliper is nearly hosed, so looking to upgrade, and for $90 shipped I can have Ultegra 8600 calipers. the 2015 Cannondale) is today’s 105 (the 2017 Trek). I think what I’m about to write is something of a cyclo-cliché, but that has never stopped me before, so… 105 is the first of Shimano’s “serious” or “proper” groupsets. The lever throw seems a little shorter, and it is harder to miss a shift, especially going up the cassette. Now we find ourselves with R7000 (the current 105) as Shimano’s most recent update (of this higher-end trifecta), and people talking about Dura-Ace being due the next upgrade. Right now I ride about 20-30 miles 2-3 days a week. Shimano va avoir un problème avec de 105 di2. Pay a couple of hundred quid more and you’d be into Ultegra territory. The heavier groupset will make you stronger because it’s heavier, then later when you upgrade to the lighter more expensive groupset you’ll be stronger and faster. Since those are a couple years apart, the difference is EXACTLY what the article is about (comparing Ultegra 6800 to 105 5800). You finally succumb to the rule of n+1 and you start looking for your first ‘proper’ road bike. Shimano 105 ou ultegra - forum cyclisme velo101. However I suspect that the 105 would have been fine for many years of fun and excitement. Crankset / chainset – the bit the pedals attach to – chain rings, cranks – that sort of thing; Derailleurs – the bits that move the chain between the different chainrings (at the front) and the various cogs of the cassette (at the back); Shifters – attached to the handlebars – the bit you manipulate with your hands; Cassette – the bit in the middle of your back wheel – lots of teeth; The Giant Defy Advanced 2020 model costs £1,949 ($2,514) with Shimano 105 and £2,199 ($2,837) with Ultegra (£250 difference for the hard of mathing); Canyon’s Endurace CF SL Disc 7.0 with Shimano 105 is £2,099 ($2,708) and the Ultegra-equipped Endurace CF SL Disc 8.0 is £2,699 ($3,482). That said, my bike is setup for 126mm dropouts and is a 7 gear rear with downtube shifters. 105 stayed firmly mechanical. I’ve had a go at summarising the supposed recommended prices for the various current (R8000/R7000) Ultegra and 105 options in this table. (Fun fact, Shimano put index shifting first in entry level models pre-1984, it was an abysmal failure until they put it in their top of the line Dura-Ace). Hey Andrew, Thanks for this comparison. And like you mentioned you can buy better wheels or frame. Even Shimano makes the distinction, with this little grey line on its website: In truth, what tends to happen is that you get your first road bike and it comes with whatever it comes with (in my case it was a ragtag set of Campagnolo and Miche components). Healthy disclaimer though – the prices seem a bit all over the place. In summary, both of them weigh about 2.5kg. These are also the middle names of my daughters.). Starting with a 105 group is a good idea. Ever since Shimano finally succeeded with index shifting in the 1984, real improvements in groupsets start at the highest end and then trickle down the component line as models are REFRESHED. The new Shimano Ultegra groupsets look almost identical to Shimano Dura-Ace, but there are some subtle differences – here's what you need to … And the price. But it will be interesting to compare the two. Over time the blog has expanded to include training advice, gear reviews and road cycling tales, all from the perspective of a not-very-fit MAMIL. That said, if I ever feel that getting electronic gear shifting is an absolute must – perhaps you count yourself in this category – then clearly Ultegra is the only choice (assuming I/you don’t have Dura-oodles of cash for the top of the range alternative). Many are going to disk brakes. Derailleurs undergo a ton of force, loads and movement. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Which I suppose makes sense since one is two years old (but is new). I am also looking at a Colnago CLX 3.0 Ultegra 2015. Buying from a Local Bike Shop has a value because you’ll be given preferential treatment over someone off the street when you go in for subsequent work. After 105, there is Ultegra and Dura-Ace, both of which have mechanical and electronic shifting (known as Di2) versions. Now, back to your originally scheduled article…. Ensuite les 3 composants spécifiques Ultegra di2 (ST, FD, RD) sont à 500 euros et 1050 euros pour le Dura Ace di2. like a silly hump for your thumbs to get annoyed by. Chez SRAM, cela correspond au Rival) Tiagra (l’équivalent de l’Apex chez SRAM) There does not seem to be a great deal of difference between the two. Regardless of where you are from (Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, Florida, Pennsylvania, Texas, Vermont, Australia, Macau...) a Fit Werx' bike fit is guaranteed to be worth the trip. As much as we may protest, we enjoy purchasing gifts for our bikes. Presently my bike has a 40 cog with a compact 50-34 crank. I too have a Domane 4.3 but 2014 model. I’m also from Yorkshire and therefore have deep pockets and short arms. Pour l'instant la partie commune à l'Ultegra di2 et au Dura Ace di2 coûte dans les 500 euros. In the case of LJ’s specific example, it’s pretty easy to decide: just ride both and then choose the one she likes more, since she is comparing two complete bikes with different designs. The different combos of what might comprise your chosen groupset (e.g disc brakes versus rim) makes trying to come up with a useful summary very difficult. They update every few years so I just replace them when new sets come out. Well, have a squiz at the full groupset images above. Let’s all make a commitment to lose a pound or two around our bellies. I just did this on my Domane – new cables, cassette, chain, brake pads and chain rings – recorded in this series of YouTube videos – and the improvement has been amazing. I don’t mind spending $90 for calipers…the best brakes you can buy is never a bad choice in my opinion. All dressed up with tires and cassettes both sets come in under 6 #. If you feel a difference, it is a placebo effect. Also the cables stretch. Ultegra offers better brake pads, better component quality. groupsets. I am much inclined to go with the current 105 10s configuration and leave more expensive upgrades for later. With the Ultegra’s, it is almost always an immediate shift and just enough feedback to know it went, but not enough to be annoying. This post might contain affiliate links for which we may make a small commission at no extra cost to you should you make a purchase. I think the best non-wear upgrade is wheels. My guess is that your chain is too long, and/or you have a bent hanger or derailleur. Go to your bike shop and have them check the chain and the derailleur alignment. Shimano didn’t come out with a ‘105 Di2 5870’. Hey all, Thank you for your contributions. Back in the day, there was a big difference in smoothness of shifting, also weight between the groupsets. Shimano 105 R7000 groupset — everything you need to know. Troisième dans la gamme du géant nippon, le Shimano 105 est un groupe fiable qui se place, à chaque nouvelle mouture, comme un produit de plus en plus attractif, et ce pour moins de 700 euros (en version classique à patins). Sometimes it’ll change immediately, with hardly any noise, sometimes there will be a slight delay and a definite clunk when it goes. Le nouveau groupset Shimano 105 R7000, un groupe pour tous ! On the inside, Ultegra’s lighter, harder internals and higher quality bushings and springs account for lighter shift action and better brake modulation. Might upgrade though to S105 11s now if the price delta is acceptable. In the big picture, the Ultegra group is 220 grams lighter (which is a little more than ½ a pound) and costs $300 more than the 105 group. The Zipps are deep dish carbon. My real question is this – are the 2015 Ultegra parts close to the 2017 105 parts? Make sure the upgraded bike has the full Ultegra group – crankset, bottom bracket, chain, brakes, shifters, cassette. The difference is approximately 200g (i.e. Monty is an enthusiastic road cyclist with only moderate talent. The bike online for $1100.00 includes shipping and any fees. The better you are and the more you ride the more you would appreciate the upgraded bike. If Dura-Ace is the top of Shimano’s range of groupsets for road bikes (don’t worry, it is), Ultegra occupies second place in the list; 105 is third. The perception of ‘better’ is is always what fuels sales of higher end products. Shimano 105 contre Ultegra (trop ancien pour répondre) Eric LAMBERT 2004-08-23 06:42:31 UTC. To take a left-field view on all this; people are talking of buying a different sized bike, to get Ultegra, but the most important this is how the bike fits you. That being said I think my 10s can last my lifetime (I’m 65 now) plus many years. It’s worth noting that some bike makers do an aluminium-framed version of their end above bikes, fitted with Shimano 105. My other wheelsets use proper cartridge bearings all round and never need adjustment, so for my next project (another titanium frame) I will buy up a new just taken off a bike 105 groupset and try and find some good used wheels. I avoid riding in the rain so the added braking power is not something I look for, but you may consider. Posted 7 years ago You should check that the rear wheel can be used with both 10s and 11s – this will only come into play if you decide to change later from 10s to 11s. Moving up to the controls, the new Shimano 105 R7000 hoods and levers get the same ergonomic do-over that Ultegra R8000 received. As we begin to understand what we like and what we don’t like, after that 10,000 shift, we begin to appreciate ulegra and it’s smoothness. 10s 105 or Ultegra can be used with XT deore cassettes (sometimes derailleur needs to be changed) and this can allow expanded gear ratios for climbing. There may be compatibility issues with the levers but I’ve not tried it myself. Assuming you’re working across compatible families, this is certainly possible. It’s one extra. Thanks Nick! Before changing anything I would look for the real problem. But saying that loosing a few kg/s would be the cheaper option. We’ll break down a number of detailed differences next. It might not look traditional hard core but it screams common sense. Shimano Ultegra is a bit more refined that Shimano 105, with lighter materials in some areas and details like more durable coatings on some parts Nevertheless, the weight difference is surprisingly small, less than 200g for a typical ensemble; most of the difference is in the brake/shift levers and chainset Not sure if anyone is still active on this post or not, but thought I’d give it a try. It came with a full Shimano 105 groupset (5700 – model range number fans). Seriously, how practical is that? Consider Ultegra as parts wear out, bearing in mind there is little reason to change brakes and shifters due to wear so it’s worth ensuring they are what you want at the start. I sold the old parts. L’énorme avantage va être de retrouver une large plage de … Anyways parts are readily available now for the 10s option. If you like to show off with your Ultegra with its shinier finish fine. The extra spread is useful as I have an 11-32 rear cassette with a compact 50-34 chainset Devon hills are not very forgiving. As things wear, replace them with a higher grade chain and cassette. Le pédalier Shimano FC-5800 délaisse l’architecture à cinq branches pour celle à quatre branches héritées des groupes Ultegra et Dura-Ace, plus légère et plus rigide. I can tell the components aren’t as “shiny” but almost felt more at home with the 105. But the shifting was better but I was disappointed with the wheels shimano still do cones and cups for wheel bearings, and the cassette freewheel had lots of play . As Jantzen says it is only one extra gear. The marginal upgrade in performance does not justify the significant higher cost. I’m a little late getting in on this, but I just got a bike with Ultegra 6800, and wanted to chime in. Thank you! Avant d’aller plus loin, un petit rappel mécanique pour les lecteurs novices : un groupe est l’ensemble de pièces qui composent la transmission d’un vélo. we’re probably due an update of the Dura Ace range next). Not all these mods are available with 11s yet. For Road bikes with STI shift/brake levers, there will be differences between the two groups. That’s the thing – the price is almost the same but the 2015 has Ultegra and the 2017 has 105. I can’t help thinking the rest of the poopset is along similar lines. When it comes to purchasing a gift for our babies, nothing says I love you like a new groupo. (Which I reckon is a song lyric waiting to be put to music*). I went with carbon wheels, carbon frame, 105 gearset. Side by side, the Ultegra materials look more premium. If both bikes are new I would take the information to your LBS and see if they would reduce their price 2-300 or if that embarrasses you just get the online one. Shimano 105 and Ultegra are 2 of the most often picked groupsets by road cyclists. The Cannondale Synapse Carbon 105 2021 model costs £2,200 ($2,838) whilst the Ultegra version is £2,700 ($3,483); Specialized Roubaix Sport (with 105) costs £2,750 ($3,548); the Roubaix Comp (Ultegra) comes in at £3,500 ($4,515). When you are due for chain and cassette replacement switch to ultegra. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Why yes friend, it does. A final point is that it is well known that last year’s Ultegra is effectively this year’s 105, so a two year old bike with Ultegra is likely to be equal, perhaps inferior to the current model 105. Check out our comparison of Shimano 105 v Shimano Ultegra. Tiagra and below, despite being perfectly adequate for your first few sportives (probably all your sportives) and for your daily commute, should be eschewed in favour of 105 or Ultegra as soon as your functional threshold power hits 150W. Thank you for any advise I greatly appreciate it. And the wheel doesn’t work with 11s. One of the biggest improvements with the Ultegra group lies within the crankset. No, it will. => À lire aussi: Comment choisir son groupe de transmission. Most full groupsets are bought in conjunction with a new bike. I have been looking at carbon fiber, Trek, Specialized and Cannondale…there’s so MANY options. As far as everything else, the difference between the 6800 and 5800 is negligible except for the rear derailleur and shifter. Cosmetically, Ultegra boasts a carbon shift/brake blade while the 105 sports an aluminum blade. The higher quality the internals, the more precise and longer lasting the mechanism. Way more noticeable than when I upgraded the front derailleur from 105 to Ultegra (I’ve now gone back to 105-only on the Domane). If so, I like the 105 bike more. Weight differences here are subtle but in these categories, it’s all about shift quality. I am trying to choose between a 2015 Cannodale CAAD 10 105 for $1100 or a Cannondale CAAD 10 with Ultegra for $1750. The answer is Ultegra. But two huge advantages. The overbuilt structure of the crankset coupled with the chainring has far more of an advantage in power transfer over the 105 which doesn’t sport a hollow outer chainring. That said, i will report back when I get some conclusive impressions. This is quite an expensive way of doing things: an extra £20-30 per component soon adds up. My blog contains Affiliate Links. I didn’t love it, but did like the price and the components. My summer bike is all Ultegra, and my winter bike has 105 shifters, mechs and an RS500 crankset. Whether a bike has disc or rim brakes affects price quite considerably. The question though is which groupset should you pick, should you pick Shimano 105 or Ultegra? With brakes, we notice some nice improvements with the Ultegra: a robust redesigned barrel adjuster; a spring tension adjustment absent on a 105 caliper; and a better brake pad compound. Shimano’s new 105 (5700) and new Ultegra (6700) are both great groups for road and triathlon use. La différence de prix entre 105 et Ultegra est de l'ordre de presque 1 euro par gramme entre les 2 mêmes groupes 10V mécanique. Given that, thinking that I would need to replace the cassette, I thought I might upgrade to the Ultegra, along with the derailleur and chain. Then I probably bought an Ultegra cassette and maybe an Ultegra 10-speed chain (my memory is a little hazy). You want to take care when buying individual components (e.g. L'ultégra n'a vraiment pas grand chose de plus qu'un 105 si ce n'est "l'effet" gamme supérieure . If it were me, and once again assuming the online bike is used, I would go with the Local Bike Shop. Ah, the million dollar £500 (or $700) question. Most of the change allows closer gearing in the middle of the cassette. I have tried this myself and can vouch for it. in addition to that, the Brake/Shift hoods on the 105 have a wierd ergonomic feel to them. But would change to a 52-36 chainset on my next build. (okay, I couldn’t be bothered to Google what it stands for). Currently I am riding a 20 year old mountain bike on paved trails. Case in point, the Trek Domane range is no longer a good example – whatever tech they’ve put into it means the frame is quite expensive and savings are made by speccing the equivalent bike to mine (the SL4) with some Tiagra components. The 5700 105, 6700 ultegra shifter design was horribly uncomfortable and the reason I changed. Shimano brought out a new version of its 105 groupset in 2018, but how does it compare to the top of the range Dura-Ace? I’ve done this myself, with my 10-speed 105 5700 groupset. Shimano Ultegra : la valeur sûre de la marque japonaise SHIMANO. Dreraillers had to be changed to match the shifter. Also, as before, I’ve just converted the GBP prices to USD. Unhelpfully, Shimano released products for, say, 2018, in mid-2017, so there might be the odd inaccuracy. I subsequently found a decent deal on used Di2 electronics and was able to slap them on. For Tri bikes with aerobar extensions, both groups will use 10-speed Dura Ace bar end shifters and an aftermarket TT brake lever. I agree, when you are ready, or when your bike is ready, make the leap to ultegra. $990.73 - $1,311.11. Mais qu’en est-il à long terme ? Keep the road Ti, forever. So I was faced with buying 10 speed stuff that was fast becoming obsolete and impossible to service or a new bike. ultegra-change a couple of materials to save a haircut in weight, tiagra-put 10 teeth on the ratchet wheel instead of 11. i’m considering a Cannondale Slate. Aluminum would have snapped long ago, with any flexing at all. I’ve shown this photo before, but include it again for reasons of laziness. I’ve only tried a couple of rides with them and find they accelerate quicker than the DAs but climbing is about the same. Le groupe Shimano 105 se retrouve souvent sur les vélos de route de classe moyenne. Brake pad quality is another significant factor in the performance of Ultegra brakes over 105. And I am not a purist. They take very little effort to stop, yet they don’t catch bad enough to throw you over the bars. (Harry Enfield I’m considerably richer than you). your daughters names are Sora and claris.. Nice.. and you are a good writer. But the extra ‘spacing; between cogs would have been nice. As things wear you can upgrade to Ultegra if you want, or you can experiment with changes. It means a lot of constant shifting and often over two cogs. 11s is the new norm and you will be able to easily get parts further into the future than 10s. Get enjoyable and helpful cyclo-info straight to your inbox. Replace your cassette every two chains. By way of example, the Cannondale Synapse (non-carbon) 105 costs £1,300. According to Beginner Triathlete, Ultegra group sets weigh roughly 280g, or half a pound less than a 105 gruppo. Or nicer road bike. Chain only showed very little change, but the new chain and cassette had a very noticeable improvement. Seems the cost for the Ultegra set is within 20% of getting 105s. Thanks Jack for your comments, I appreciate it! Still, it gives the general direction of travel (i.e. Well, let’s face it. Considerations on weight but most importantly feel are largely based upon the internal mechanism. La nouvelle série ULTEGRA R8000 a été éprouvée sur le circuit professionnel. Hope this helps and is only my opinion. The alignment is a quick adjustment. well I’ve had 5800 shifters apart next to 6800 shifters, I mean totally apart like they’re not supposed to. Note: This post contains affiliate links. My bike is a Trek Domane 4.3 (the 2013 version), which at the time cost £1,800. Trek Domane 4.3 Road Bike Rebuild: Tools and Parts List, I replaced it with the equivalent Ultegra version, recorded in this series of YouTube videos, Torque To The Hand (Best Bicycle Torque Wrench 2020), Best Chain Whip And Cassette Lockring Tools (And What They Do), http://road.cc/content/buyers-guide/201326-head-head-shimano-105-v-shimano-ultegra. If the online bike seller accepts returns if their description is incorrect and pays return shipping then that is a value in their favor. I changed shifters from 5700 105 to 4700 Tiagara keeping the 10 speed drive train. This has the potential to maximise comfort and, most importantly, performance far more than by choosing one iteration or another of Shimano’s group sets. that being said, i’m only looking at the ultegra model because of the “better” color option, and the ergonomic design . it would cost shimano more to have different production lines than to just put the same parts in several levers it would cost more to make the cheaper levers cheaper. Ultegra components are lighter than 105 components, making climbing easier. I am a beginner/intermediate riding a Specialized Elite 2014 Hybrid. If you ride significant miles you eventually start replacing components as maintenance items. A groupset is a component manufacturer’s collection of mechanical parts, usually covering the derailleurs, shifters, brakes, chainset, bottom bracket, cassette and chain. Maybe, for once, the trickledown effect of high spec features gradually moving down the price spectrum won’t apply in the case of 105 electrification. Clearly if you want electronic shifting, then Ultegra is, for now, your only option. I assume both bikes are the same size and you are sure the size is correct for you; this is even more important than group. Présenté en avril 2018, le groupe Shimano 105 R7000 est le frère cadet du groupe étendard Dura-Ace 9100 / R9150 Di2 (dévoilé au printemps 2016) et du groupe “best-seller” du manufacturier japonais, l’Ultegra R8000 / R8050 Di2 (dévoilé au printemps 2017). Well, when Di2 first came out, initially for Dura-Ace then followed by Ultegra, it seemed a reasonable bet to say that 105 would be next in line for electrification. The earlier SPD-SL (three-bolt style) pedals had flat plastic plates that can be replaced for like .99, but of course Ultegra were slightly different shape from the Dura-ace, so you needed to clip a corner off first-trivial.
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